3rd August 1996...
Not laugh but, dearest Elizabeth, would you tell us about
the saintly people you painted when you were in Delhi. Did
it mean that you went out of your way to meet them in
temples and mosques?"
with her Chinmayananda painting
replied, "yes. And, for instance, I met and
painted Swami Chinmayananda. I also met Krishnamurti because
I knew Pupul Jayakar and I used to go regularly to her
meetings ... " Dagmar asked Elizabeth, "was J.
Krishnamurti in Delhi before he went to America?"
Elizabeth replied, "yes." Mr. Lutoria confirmed
this, "he stayed with that lady in Green Park."
Dagmar said, "I didn't know." And Laurence
supplied the following:
Jayakar was a very important person in the field of culture.
Reviving the Indian traditional art forms, handicrafts,
philosophy, etc.. She wrote many excellent books. She was a
very towering figure, extremely scholarly, learned. As one
of her last books, she wrote the biography of J.
Krishnamurti. Pupul Jayakar was born on 11.09.1915 in Etawa
(Uttar Pradesh) and she died on 28.03.1997 at Bombay.
you went to attend one of the sessions with J. Krishnamurti,
dearest Elizabeth," asked Laurence, "and there you
painted him?" Elizabeth answered, "no. He came to
Bangalore when we were there. We were living in a rented
house found through the Theosophical Society. There my
mother painted her life-work. She closed herself up and
practically fasted, eating only once a day. And there she
painted those things which will remain a secret. Her whole
realizations are in those paintings.
When she was completely alone ... I mean I lived
there also ... But she was in her room and only painted days
and nights, as I mentioned before. She painted her visions
The fourth house from ours over there was occupied by
Krishnamurti. So he came over to see us, came to see my
mother's work. And mother painted him, his spiritual side.
There might be a spiritual explanation to it. I painted him
also, but as he really was. And one of these paintings was
given to the Theosophical Society in Madras.
Dagmar asked, "is J. Krishnamurti linked to the
Theosophical Society? Excuse my ignorance, but I have no
idea." Elizabeth answered, "yes. Krishnamurti was
taken into the Society when he was very young, as they saw
in the boy the capacity of becoming a world teacher."
carried on and said, "yes, there is so much to learn
here in India. But you see, we Westerners have been trained
to be approved of by what we do, not what we are. And most
often we don't like ouselves, we don't want to be, hiding
behind what we do. It is very difficult because we have been
trained this way, to do this, or do that. How to feel in
Elizabeth explained, "for instance, in
Santiniketan.. You can imagine ... My mother had the same
education as you two ... I am different because so many
changes happened in my life. So, for instance, a lady could
get angry because the table-cloth is not placed properly on
the table and it will irritate her to the core. Why was it
not put in the proper way? ... But the whole of Santiniketan
moved on in its own way ... So, you had to
accept it ... To be able to stay harmoniously together. And
it is a big big job! Harmony."
Then Laurence stated, "the Brunner's, to my
mind, came to India as learners, right from the beginning.
That is what is so extraordinary. That is why I admire them
so much. They have come in full humility. They have never
taken pride in the great people who posed for their
and who have been among their closest. They thrived and
searched for the highest, the most elevating here in
had more wise words for us about life, "let go of
things ... let it go away ... and then there might be a
beautiful flower opening. Don't grab, let it go ... then
there might be a song ... or something like admiring a
blooming tree." Laurence said, "yes, when we open
up, we might experience something beautiful."
Elizabeth, "or even strength." Dagmar asked,
"action?" Elizabeth, "but action in its
proper time. Otherwise action also creates confusion. Action
uses its strength to hit you back. And you suffer. You want
to save, and you suffer.
All I can say is, everything has its time. Let go of
things. This world is now like this, earlier it was
organized in some other way. People suffered then and now.
These innocent people, they are not knowing the foundation
of things, so ... Innocence has the gift to take things as
they come, good or bad ... But being intelligent, everything
is made difficult. That is what is the most difficult
situation." And Dagmar remembered, "some years
ago, when we lived in Udaipur (Rajasthan), and life was very
difficult for us, I wished sometimes I was as stupid as a
cow, to think limited and to know nothing."
Dagar singing with Laurance and Qamar on the tanpuras
performing during Laurance new flat inaugural function
long time had passed. I had gone out of India for my annual
vacation. I had seen Elizabeth several times before and
after. Laurence had had her inaugural function for her new
flat which was blessed by the presence of Elizabeth as well
as Wasif, the son of the Dagar Brothers. Lovely people had
come, particularly Dr. and Mrs. Péter Hajtó from the
Hungarian Cultural Centre who made it possible for Elizabeth
to be moved in the official van. That morning was a special